Anyhoo, about the paper, I don’t necessarily think it was a perfect argument, I just found it interesting. That would be great, however if you would send me some info and your thoughts. I’ll email you.

Deb - I think he’s just trying to point out the flaws/shortcomings in the typical anti-abortion argument by Christians. Essentially, it’s like “Ok, you hold the Bible as your highest authority, and base your opinions on that? Well here are some problems I see with what you’re claiming. In fact, I will now use what you claim as your highest authority to come to a completely different conclusion.” I don’t think you necessarily have to agree with something to use it as a tool to persuade others.  But that’s just my two cents… :) 

So, logically, how can he make an argument that something is Biblical using the Bible as his proof if he doesn’t even believe in the validity of that which he’s quoting?? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Any thoughts??

ANON1 - Actually, I’ll probably vote straight-ticket Democrat. Or perhaps I will write in “Peter Griffin” for Governor.

As far as having/not having kids–whether we think it’s fair or not– the woman has the baby-growing equipment, so she ultimately gets to decide. In this day and age, the moment a guy has sex is the moment he gives up his right to that type of decision. For guys who don’t think that’s fair, I guess, don’t have sex.

And I agree with you that a stable, married relationship is definitely the best situation to be in to have kids.

That is a good idea, though, to have an incentive to either not have kids or have fewer kids. The “go forth and multiply” command worked well when there was 2 people in the world. Now that there’s 6 billion, “stay home and remain at the same amount” seems like a pretty good idea, too.

My question still is this. If it takes two to make a baby why is it only acceptable for one to decide to not keep it?

And, once again, this goes make to my point of not having children unless you are in a stable, married relationship. The world is overpopulated already, why add more people to it?

I think that tax breaks should be given to people with less children. There is no need to breed like mice in an overpopulated world.

You seem to feel very strongly about this issue, which shows that you care–that’s a very good thing. And you make valid points about responsibility.

I guess for me personally, I’m not convinced that abortion in every case is necessarily wrong, so for me, I’d rather give the choice to the mother. That’s just where I am right now. I don’t think anyone who is pro-choice on this blog is advocating abortion, it’s just that for me, I’m not facing the difficulties or situations that a pregnant woman may have to deal with, so I’d rather have it be decided case-by-case.

Each side of the debate sees their options as the “right” option and looks at the debate as being a black-and-white issue. I’ve found very few things in life that are truly black and white. The existence of these two very polarized views of abortion just goes to show that it’s really not black and white, since two groups with the same information come out with completely opposite conclusions.

No matter which side of the debate we fall on, I don’t think abortion will ever be outlawed in the US, so I’d love to see people’s efforts go toward something else, like helping to eliminate poverty, or bring water to people who need it, etc.

Thank you for your thoughts. I’m glad you still kept me in the will even though we have differing viewpoints sometimes. (I AM still in the will, right?!) You make good points. And I’m glad that Uncle J and Aunt A decided to have my cousin.

For me personally, I do believe that life begins at conception–it’s the issue of “personhood” that’s a little gray to me.

Dad was mostly right about the dangerous places for children, but he forgot about 3) Neverland Ranch.

Love you, Mom!

All of the examples you cited Rachel are very rare. So a child should be aborted because he/she is deformed? Were you born perfect. I think not. Adoption is always an option and once again so is actually taking responsiblity for your actions and raising the child.

The problem with this country is that there are too many godless, selfish people running around yelling me, me, me.

I applaud GW Bush and his so called Christian Coalition in trying to bring make some moral fiber into this mess we now call America. Family used to stand for something; today, must people stand for nothing.

And if you get knocked up because YOU decided not to use a protection or birth control then YOU must take responsibilty for your OWN ACTIONS.

Karma will come back to get the pro-choice crowd that thinks its OK to kill babies because they want to avoid being responsible.

I have never heard of anyone being knocked out by a “rufie”, having a “train” “done” on her thus causing her to cancel medical school.

As far as fathers who impregnate their own daughters I would say doesn’t happen very often also.

So please stop trying to act all intelligent and wise.

JOHN MCCAIN in 2008!